we wrapped it upin atlanta. that does it for us. thank you for watching. we hope you have a great night. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- this greta: is insane, sick, coral. it is all of those things. a guy murders to 170 people. -- greta: this is insane, sick, cruel. scotland has decided to let him go. he gets a special flight home and when he lands he is greeted as a hero. what was scotland thinking? we will let scotland give you the excuse. here at home, a food fight. the ceo of wholefoods says he is

for health care reform but comes out against the president's health plan and now when than 20,000 people are calling for a boycott of the grocery chain's. they are fighting back at to the boycott. we have a boy cotter and an opponent. democratic senators are now furious at the republicans over health care and town halls. they are all threateneing go nuclear. they are potentially going to use something that can go past the republicans and republicans will not be able to stop them. last night, we told you about the ceo of whole foods. last week, he wrote an op-ed that said that we need health care reform. guess what, some customers.

not everyone agrees. we have the group that is representing protests against wholefoods and one that supports wholefoods. is this ceo a bad guy? >> he wrote a really nasty piece in "the wall street journal," and the majority of his customers would disagree with him. greta: i did not see this as nasty. he gave up his pay and donated some to charity. he says he is for health care reform not just for the plan of the president. >> he is against single payer. greta: does this make him a bad guy? >> i think it does because 60

people are dying every day because of lack of health reform. the only way to fix this is single pair. everyone in, no one not. this is the only way to cut costs. -- the only way to fix this is single payer. we know what works and we can do it tomorrow. his customers should know. we will go pick it wholefoods stores tomorrow and tell the customers that you are spending money to pay this guy's salary and he is advocating against the only option that will fix the system. greta: according to you. >he says that he is for it, here is a solution, it is and not just your solution. >> we are in front of the stores sene you can shop here but you should know his position. greta: you said he was a bad

guy. this is different. >> is his policy wins, then 60 americans will continue to die every day. greta: what is your thought on boycotting whole foods'? >> first call, thank you for having -- first of all, thank you for having me. i think it is crazy to call someone that because we don't agree with him. if a ceo cannot say his opinion, what kind of country do we have? if you look at the things that whole foods does as a company, they pay 100% of the premiums for 90% of their employes. you can earn additional money from the company towards your deductibles. we have 50,000 employees who are not part of the uninsured. greta: you are a lawyer. what stuns me most of all is

not an appreciation, here is one guy who has done nothing but give back. this is a guy that employs 50,000 people and he has a different idea and you don't like it and you call him a vaticbad guy. >> i took my son to virginia couple of weeks ago where someone sets of to get free medical care. at 7:00 in the morning, we saw 2200 of our fellow americans waiting for free medical care because they don't have it. the next day, the same thing, the next day, the same thing. gr[unintelligible] he can write that in the wood " wall street journal," and weekend tick can picket. these policies may continue to

kill people. the reason this is not happening because the health insurance industry and the pharmaceutical industry had a homer lock on the city. that is why it is not happening. greta: i am very disappointed in you to call a man who has made an enormous contribution, this is not a person u.s. been selfish and is now coming up with other ideas. >> seeing office to say that the government has no role in insurance. -- i think it is very selfish to say that the government has no role in insurance. >> i was going to stick to the fact that whether or not you agree with the ceo, he has a right to his opinion. everyone has a right to their opinion. if you are for cutting whole foods, you are not hurting the ceo, you are hurting the business. -- if you are boycotting

wholefoods. they contribute 5% once a day, the profits go towards a community. they go back into the communities as well. i don't understand judging the entire company based in the opinions of one person. it is a frightening world where a ceo can not speak up just like any other american. greta: you have organized a protest for tomorrow. >> the whole foods here in washington, d.c., in austin texas, and in new york city. we are hearing from the employee's who are outraged that the ceo is taking the position. greta: i believe in your first amendment right but what surprises me is your election to go after this guy. you have a lot better targets than this particular guy. >> i think that it is foolish to

say that employees across the board are upset. i cannot tell you how many people i have talked to the support of this. i can't tell you how many people who say they will shop at whole foods because of this. >> the majority of customers at whole foods are outraged by his peace and a big chunk of the employees are outraged. >> time will tell. greta: he says that we want to help he just does not agree with you and that is what makes you angry. >he has a plan and he has an option and he has been successful in getting his people health insurance. that is stunning to me, you don't like his opinion so you label him a bad guy. >> the majority of the doctors don't like his opinion unlike 10 years ago. many think that single payer is

not only the best solution but the only solution. greta: i gave you the last word. >> i would like to see a source for that. greta: kristol, thank you very much. -- crystal, thank you very much. are the democratic senators going to invoke the nuclear option and pushed through health care reform? this is a way that they can do this. it makes them possible to push bills with a simple majority. is this what will happen? joining us is john kyl. do you expect that the democrats will invoke this option? >> yes, of course we object. i don't know whether they will or not.

i kind of doubt it. the reason that they're having trouble even among the democratic majority, they have 60 and republicans only have 40. the reason they are having difficulties is the american people are speaking out and they understand the nature of the bills that have been given. the bill from the health education and labor committee, they don't like what they see. they have registered those protests in town hall meetings and in public opinion surveys. this is causing great consternation with the obama administration and the democratic leadership. greta: in doing your accounting, the you have any reason to believe that democratic senators -- do you have any reason to believe that democratic senators are going to vote for this? is there any reason to believe they don't have enough votes? >> i don't know.

there are a group of moderate democrats who do not like the bill that is being discussed in the house and don't like the bill out of the education and labor committee. whether there are 8, 10, 12, 15, i don't know. clearly they have a problem in the democratic ranks. they are not together on where to go on this. they have not given republicans a seat at the table in general. there are three republicans talking to three democrats in the finance committee to see if they can come up with something. thus far, the democrats have not been willing to back away from the kinds of things that most republicans and the majority of the american people oppose. greta: do you know of any republicans that are likely to go with the democratic program? will republicans be solidly against the bill? >> well, if you say the bill, let's identify the bill in the

house of representatives or the bill that came out of the labor committee in the senate. i don't know any republican senator that would support both of those bills. there are 10 or 12 that would not support it either on the democratic side. that is why they're considering other options. i would hope that they would recognize that the american people have spoken out during the month of august. let's sit down and get the republicans involved and do something on a bipartisan basis. greta: if the democrats are so certain that this is the answer and they have at least 50 votes, what would mitigate against doing that? if they are so concerned that this is the right answer, why don't they just do that? >> there are two reasons why they might not do that. first of all, the reconciliation process or the so-called nuclear

option is not ideal for writing legislation like this. it has never been used for something this sweeping. there are many provisions that probably could not be written and still fit within that reconciliation process. it is primarily suited for tax increases. secondly, if they did that it would be very clear that they were thwarting the will of the american people. by every opinion survey i've seen, there's opposition to the democratic bill. if they try to ram this through, i think that this would be bad for the country and i think it would be bad politically for the democrats. greta: senator, thank you. many americans hate washington because it is so cozy. could it be worth $24 million to the president? the men aron your screen blew

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greta: it is must be nice to be close to the president but is it worth $24 million? two companies have been hired to produce advertisements for support of health care. the total price tag of $24 million. how does this compare to dick cheney and halliburton? we are joined by the digital managing editor for "the washington times." explain this issue. >> there are two democratic media firms that are putting together a $24 million

advertising campaign in favor of health reform. both of them have close ties to president obama. one of them, akpd, was founded by david axelrod. he is in the white house now. he is being paid in several installments. >> hithis stock was bought out. he is getting $350,000 this year. this is all ok with the ethics laws. $24 million, all that money does not go to these two firms. that is the amount of advertising. there's some fraction going to these firms. greta: where does the 24 million come from? >> from the american medical association, a big pharma. greta: from the lobbyists.

that is interesting, they're helping the government to do the pr campaign. >> right. critics look at this and say is this two coo cozy. allies of the president are paying this firm. this has been blessed by ethics investigators. the fees being paid off of this advertising is a separate issue. halliburton, you might remember that a vice president cheney is the former ceo of halliburton, a big construction defense contracting sort of firm. after the attack of 9/11, halliburton got a huge no bid contract. they built things for the federal government in iraq.

just like david axelrod, this is a very similar number. $2 million that dick cheney was going to get in payouts that were owed because of his separation from the firm. just like axelrod, dick cheney said there was no connection between any of the federal money going to halliburton and the payments to mostly deferred compensation, that was due to him from halliburton. greta: there is no ethics problem here. >> there is no problem. greta: i wish we had more time. the idea of the lobbyists paying this money, that is more interesting. we have plenty of time. we are here every night. the government is growing larger in a way you might not expect. there is news tonight about abtt

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greta: job creation is something happening during the recession. the private sector has lost about $6.9 million jobs.

during the same amount of time, state and local government have added about 810,000 jobs. what is the deal? we're joined by the washington correspondent for "forbes." explain this, the government is getting jobs and the private sector is losing. >> defenders of the stimulus will say that is what you want. you want people to have jobs from somewhere. whit9this money went to proppinp state and local governments and spending programs for the federal government. greta: i thought the whole idea was shovel ready projects. you build a road accident they would create a mass of other jobs. how does this job create other jobs? >> well, on one level it creates a job.

you have a teacher, they get paid, they spent part of their salary at the store. that creates jobs at the stores for their spending. that happens with government jobs and private sector jobs. that is what they said, they said it would create a lot of private-sector jobs. so far, it has not done that. the stimulus was created in a couple of phases. the first phase was tax cuts. money started to trickle into the economy back then. the second was the states, the get about $40 billion. you can stop state governments from having to shrink during the recession. you don't want a lot of teachers laid off during the recession. the third phase is the slowest phase and that is the actual construction projects. those of the projects you are talking about. those of the shuttle ready projects. it means in the next six months to a year. -- those are the shovel ready

projects. greta: i don't want to see teachers losing jobs. however, there were jobs created. are these teacher jobs, the department of more vehicles -- motor vehicles? >> it is not in this report that some jobs they have to go to ge-- to have to get to grow the population of work. people are going to the employment office. you need those to be staffed to handle the people. greta: then you hear about arizona and california bleeding state workers. who is picking up the jobs? >> you have seen jobs lost and created everywhere. you have seen them lost in

places like california. u.s. seeing a lot created by the u.s. census bureau. they will hire a lot of people that. -- you are seeing a lot created by the u.s. census bureau. greta: when you create more jobs, you create a bigger government. we have this huge big government that now we have the support and the only way to support this is by taxing people. do we get ourselves into a bad cycle when the stimulate jobs in the government rather than putting a stimulus in the private-sector? >> it is definitely a possibility. the government does not like to shrink. it is does not do a good job of reducing inefficient jobs that it has. we have to support them. the country is growing at a certain rate. as long as the number of government workers is not growing as fast as the country

as a whole -- if you look at it as a percentage, maybe it is not growing that big. greta: if people don't have the jobs, they cannot pay for the government. thank you. up next, what could possibly be the excuse? how could scotland release the guy who is accused of murdering two letters 70 people in a 747 -- 270 people in a 747. president obama might be losing friends in michigan.

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greta: look at this man, he

murdered 270 people. they had never done a thing to him. this happens to be on board of a trans-atlantic flight. they were all blown to pieces for no reason. thtonight, this man is free. he is home with his family. he is the only person convicted for the bombing in lockerbie. here's what happened, on december 1988, a flight left heathrow in london bound for jfk. as income reached a cruising -- as it reached a cruising altitude, a bomb blew up the plane. the terrorist was arrested and convicted some time later. he was sent to prison for life. after serving 8 years for blowing up 270 unsuspecting people, the scottish government today released him. a jet took him home to libya.

he was welcomed in libya as a hero. here is the scottish excuse for releasing this killer. >> compassion and mercy are about upholding the beliefs that we seek to live my remaining true to our values as a people no matter the severity of the provocation or the atrocity perpetrated. it is my decision that mr. abdel basat al-megrahi, convicted in 2001 for the lockerbie bombing, now terminally ill with prostate cancer, be released on compassionate grounds and allowed to return to libya to die. greta: is anything that our country could have done to keep him behind bars? we are joined by the fbi special agent in charge of the

investigation of the lockerbie bombing. compassion, can you believe that? >> it is depressing. that is the only way that i can express this. greta: looking at the tape, he got cheered. i'm speechless as khaled. tell me, what was this man's role in this crime? -- i am speechless at scotland. gretait is believed that he smud the bomb on the the plane. he arranged to have it put on the plane in conjunction with one of his associates on the morning of december 21st. he also had connections to the company that built the timer on the bomb. greta: i've never seen anything like this where a person kills

270 people. did anyone consulted the fbi that had work to this case? >> we have known for a long time that it was possible there would be a prisoner transfer because of an agreement reached between libya and tony blair that that was a possibility. he would be transferred back to libya to serve time. this compassionate release came because of the prostate cancer. greta: we have people with cancer in our prisons. >> i know, they die in prison all the time. i saw some e-mail from people from scotland to said that they totally disagree with what the government has done. -- who said that they totally disagree with what the government has done. greta: is anything more than just the compassion business? >> i would imagine oil, politics.

colonel gaddafi said that unless they sent al-megrahi there would be no business deals. greta: so, money? >> money and oil, this is a sad situation. greta: it is stunning to hear this. it is stunning that he participated and he killed 2170 people. >> he has never apologized. -- he killed 270 people. greta: what did our government do? could we be more aggressive? >> we knew that it was the possibility is what happened. hillary clinton made a phone call to the justice ministry. eric holder made a call to the justice ministry. i know many of the families' consulted with him from the british embassy several weeks

ago. greta: is there any deal that we made it not to prosecute him? scotland would have had to turn him over to us at the end. >> i talked to the prosecutors as recently as tonight. we thought that it would take place in scotland. we investigated the case and the scots decided to prosecute. once there was a trial, we recognized that there is probably never going to be in the u.s.. when his colleague was acquitted in 2001, he went home to libya based on an agreement that if he is acquitted, he gets to go home. if he's convicted, he has to spend the rest of his time in a scottish prison. greta: we can go to a grand jury and then get an indictment and

then we can use our treaties with scotland. we did not -- it does not sound like we try to do anything like that. >> there is an indictment still pending. there is still under arrest warrant for both of them. greta: how come we don't have scotland send them to us? >> i cannot answer that. greta: we have treaties for this. >> it is the nature of politics. it is a sad state of affairs but that is the way it will be hand. greta: this is crazy that they have outstanding indictments. >> when they let him go, this was not a prisoner transfer, this was not pursuant to something else, this was based solely on compassion. greta: i cannot help but think how aggressively we pursue thd

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-- the cia personnel may be called to testify. greta: people in michigan had a different kind of town hall. the topic was gitmo prisoners. they might get them whether they like it or not. the administration has its eyes on a state prison. seeinit is slated to be close. he can stash the gitmo prisoners there. he can keep the prison open in a state which has a huge unemployment problem. residents had a town hall and a woman whose mother died on 9/11 had a stern warning. >> these detainees are not like ordinary criminals. yes, the federal prison system is good at dealing with some retailers, rapists, sociopaths.

they do not have global networks outside of the wire and over the walls where they are kept that are preparing to come and do martyrdom operations. if they are brought here and a federal judge orders them to be released, where will they go? they will be here. >> my biggest concern is not whether they break out, it will be who breaks them out. what are they going to do to break the matter this prison? will they take one of your schools hostage? you don't want them in michigan. greta: we are joined by michigan congressman pete [inaudible] will you get more prisoners? >> i don't think that they will be moved to standish, michigan or the u.s.

i think the administration will figure out that they don't want them on the american soil. they want them left right where they are. greta: what option do you have? can you just say no? >> for the federal government to move them in, they would have to reach an agreement with the governor of michigan. i hope that we declassify certain pieces of classified information so that our governor and our legislature will see clearly that this is a problem that the president created moving them to standish. this is a dangerous choice. this fix is the president's problem but it creates a whole new realm of problems for the state of michigan that we don't want. greta: i am curious how much the federal government would pay per prisoner if they put them in your state prison. recently, your state got

rejected. you want to take some california prisoners but you want to charge them $83 a day. california found a state that would charge only $63 a day. how much would you get for the federal prisoners? >> we would never get enough for the risk we would be taking. the department of defense has not been very transparent. most likely, we would not get anything. this would move into a military organization or a federal organization. we would not be reimbursed, we would just get the new federal jobs if this facility was reopened under federal control and the state of michigan. >>greta: any idea how many jobs you would get? >> the indications are that some people -- colusa promises and inferences have been made that this might be around 1200 jobs. -- the loose promises and

inferences have been made. the government has not been very transparent with state or local officials about what they are willing to promise if they move these people into gitmo. this is a bad idea. this enables the president to keep a promise and to fix a problem that he created. all this does is create a whole new set of problems just may security standpoint and from a legal standpoint by moving either these people to standish, michigan or fort leavenworth. greta: the governor is a democrat. do you know what her position is on taking these prisoners at the facility in standish? >> she had severe reservations about this action taking place. i think she wants more for mission. we should have state officials

have the opportunity to go visit gitmo and declassify information about who these people are, what they've done. more portly, what we've learned about their capital is as we have held them in confinement. -- more importantly, what we've learned about capabilities. greta: did the topic of health care, but the town hall? >> people have said that the president has a lot of bad ideas. the moving of the prisoners, the cash for clunkers, health care. greta: congressman, thank you. up next, the best of the rest. it is alec baldwin giving up his day job?

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greta: 11:00 is almost here, and flashed those studio lights, last call. maybe president obama is getting tired because it sounds like he is making up words. >> last year about this time, you will recall that the republicans had just nominated their vice-presidential candidate and the media was obsessed with it and cable was 24 hours a day and obama has lost his mojo -- to ali [laughter] there's something about august going into september when everyone in washington gets all wee-weed up. greta: i don't know what it means.